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	<title>Comments on: Norwegian State Radio initiates public debate on 9/11 Truth (update)</title>
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	<description>How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the BCCT...</description>
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		<title>By: gamlerik</title>
		<link>http://zelikow.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/norwegian-state-radio-initiates-public-debate-on-911-truth/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>gamlerik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 10:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good point. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Television_Cultural_Center_fire&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The fire in the Beijing Television Cultural Center&lt;/a&gt; this February (&#039;09) is also a good estimony against the fire-hypothesis for WTC 7. 

However, what Harrit, Jones and many others are putting forth here is &lt;strong&gt;scientific proof&lt;/strong&gt;. This is why people should attempt to understand their arguement even if it might require some effort. When understood, the arguement can be communicated to others - taking them from believing the OCT/BCCT is false to &lt;strong&gt;knowing&lt;/strong&gt; that it is false. Likewise, the 2 second, 105 ft &lt;strong&gt;absolute&lt;/strong&gt; free fall acceleration for WTC 7 is also positive proof.  Hence forcing NIST to invalidate their own conclutions (but, of course, not admitting that they&#039;ve done so). This threshold between believing and knowing might be the difference between a person engaging in activism or not. 

Once we know - we &lt;strong&gt;act&lt;/strong&gt; like we know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good point. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Television_Cultural_Center_fire" rel="nofollow">The fire in the Beijing Television Cultural Center</a> this February (&#8216;09) is also a good estimony against the fire-hypothesis for WTC 7. </p>
<p>However, what Harrit, Jones and many others are putting forth here is <strong>scientific proof</strong>. This is why people should attempt to understand their arguement even if it might require some effort. When understood, the arguement can be communicated to others &#8211; taking them from believing the OCT/BCCT is false to <strong>knowing</strong> that it is false. Likewise, the 2 second, 105 ft <strong>absolute</strong> free fall acceleration for WTC 7 is also positive proof.  Hence forcing NIST to invalidate their own conclutions (but, of course, not admitting that they&#8217;ve done so). This threshold between believing and knowing might be the difference between a person engaging in activism or not. </p>
<p>Once we know &#8211; we <strong>act</strong> like we know.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 17:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am more simple minded.  I look at  WTC7 and compare it to the huge fires in the Windsor building in Madrid and my common sense tells me something is awry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am more simple minded.  I look at  WTC7 and compare it to the huge fires in the Windsor building in Madrid and my common sense tells me something is awry.</p>
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		<title>By: gamlerik</title>
		<link>http://zelikow.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/norwegian-state-radio-initiates-public-debate-on-911-truth/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>gamlerik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha - I think I understand. :)  You wrote  &#039;&lt;strong&gt;apparently&lt;/strong&gt; fortuitous&#039; as in &#039;according to the Bush/Cheney conspiracy theory the stoichiometry here is accidental&#039;? At first, I misunderstood it to be your own point of view, but couldn&#039;t get it to fit with what you said about intimate mixtures. Optimum molar ratio gives a very specific (not fortuitous) stoichiometry if I&#039;ve understood you correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha &#8211; I think I understand. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   You wrote  &#8216;<strong>apparently</strong> fortuitous&#8217; as in &#8216;according to the Bush/Cheney conspiracy theory the stoichiometry here is accidental&#8217;? At first, I misunderstood it to be your own point of view, but couldn&#8217;t get it to fit with what you said about intimate mixtures. Optimum molar ratio gives a very specific (not fortuitous) stoichiometry if I&#8217;ve understood you correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: jpsmith123</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpsmith123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I would say that if the red chip material both burnt rapidly and released lots of energy, then the reacting ingredients (i.e., fuel and oxidizer) were apparently present in an optimum or near optimum molar ratio for efficient combustion; something you would not generally expect if there were any other &quot;legitimate&quot; explanation for this stuff.

For example if you had, saltpeter (KNO3), sulfur (S) and charcoal (mostly C), but the particle sizes were large, the material was not intimately mixed, and the proportions of the ingredients were wrong, it would not behave like &quot;gunpowder&quot; or &quot;black powder&quot; would be expected to behave, and you would have essentially nothing but a mixture of chemicals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I would say that if the red chip material both burnt rapidly and released lots of energy, then the reacting ingredients (i.e., fuel and oxidizer) were apparently present in an optimum or near optimum molar ratio for efficient combustion; something you would not generally expect if there were any other &#8220;legitimate&#8221; explanation for this stuff.</p>
<p>For example if you had, saltpeter (KNO3), sulfur (S) and charcoal (mostly C), but the particle sizes were large, the material was not intimately mixed, and the proportions of the ingredients were wrong, it would not behave like &#8220;gunpowder&#8221; or &#8220;black powder&#8221; would be expected to behave, and you would have essentially nothing but a mixture of chemicals.</p>
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		<title>By: gamlerik</title>
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		<dc:creator>gamlerik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello JP,

Since there has been no reply from Nilsen and no attempt by the NRK to follow up on this story (It&#039;s been more than two months since Harrit&#039;s explanation about the paint-issue.), I doubt the nobility of their intentions as well. 

Still, Nilsen deserves some credit for addressing the paper itself, which is way more businesslike than most BCCT&#039;ers,  and being willing to seriously harm his own academic credibility over this. I wonder what rewards were reaped since I struggle to imagine his response as a willful self-destructive act. Self-injurious behavior is rarely preformed by science-professors, and the means to accomplish it are even more seldom the ruin of one&#039;s own professional reputation. Maybe his reasons were purely idealistic - who knows? 

Anyway, could you please explain to a layman why you perceive the stoichiometry to be fortuitous in this instance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello JP,</p>
<p>Since there has been no reply from Nilsen and no attempt by the NRK to follow up on this story (It&#8217;s been more than two months since Harrit&#8217;s explanation about the paint-issue.), I doubt the nobility of their intentions as well. </p>
<p>Still, Nilsen deserves some credit for addressing the paper itself, which is way more businesslike than most BCCT&#8217;ers,  and being willing to seriously harm his own academic credibility over this. I wonder what rewards were reaped since I struggle to imagine his response as a willful self-destructive act. Self-injurious behavior is rarely preformed by science-professors, and the means to accomplish it are even more seldom the ruin of one&#8217;s own professional reputation. Maybe his reasons were purely idealistic &#8211; who knows? </p>
<p>Anyway, could you please explain to a layman why you perceive the stoichiometry to be fortuitous in this instance?</p>
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		<title>By: jpsmith123</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpsmith123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but I have to question the honesty/motivation of anyone (e.g., Nilsen) who would presume to &quot;critique&quot; the paper by Harrit et al. while studiously avoiding the issues of the nano scale and intimate mixture of the particles and the apparently fortuitous stoichiometry which gives rise to such an energetic reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but I have to question the honesty/motivation of anyone (e.g., Nilsen) who would presume to &#8220;critique&#8221; the paper by Harrit et al. while studiously avoiding the issues of the nano scale and intimate mixture of the particles and the apparently fortuitous stoichiometry which gives rise to such an energetic reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: metamars</title>
		<link>http://zelikow.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/norwegian-state-radio-initiates-public-debate-on-911-truth/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>metamars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 05:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://the911forum.freeforums.org/email-correspondence-on-active-thermitic-paper-abridged-t157.html&quot; title=&quot;Email Correspondence on Active Thermitic Paper (abridged) &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Email Correspondence on Active Thermitic Paper (abridged)&lt;/a&gt; is selected and somewhat edited correspondence (mostly) between some of the Harrit, et. al. paper&#039;s co-authors and Dr. Frank Greening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://the911forum.freeforums.org/email-correspondence-on-active-thermitic-paper-abridged-t157.html" title="Email Correspondence on Active Thermitic Paper (abridged) " rel="nofollow">Email Correspondence on Active Thermitic Paper (abridged)</a> is selected and somewhat edited correspondence (mostly) between some of the Harrit, et. al. paper&#8217;s co-authors and Dr. Frank Greening.</p>
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		<title>By: gamlerik</title>
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		<dc:creator>gamlerik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Perry,

Indeed. 

The Norwegians, as everyone else, should get back to debating real issues (if we ever really have debated them?). For how long has the truth been absent? Since Kennedy? Since the baton of what to think was given the media by the church? There is no point in discussing real issues with fake people who talk of peace publicly, but in action is really hellbent on death and carnage. Let’s identify the lies and the liars perpetrating them first – then discuss the real issues.

In the mean time every man, woman and child should engage any and all parts the savage capitalist system that forces all this violence upon us. Work less, spend less – love more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Perry,</p>
<p>Indeed. </p>
<p>The Norwegians, as everyone else, should get back to debating real issues (if we ever really have debated them?). For how long has the truth been absent? Since Kennedy? Since the baton of what to think was given the media by the church? There is no point in discussing real issues with fake people who talk of peace publicly, but in action is really hellbent on death and carnage. Let’s identify the lies and the liars perpetrating them first – then discuss the real issues.</p>
<p>In the mean time every man, woman and child should engage any and all parts the savage capitalist system that forces all this violence upon us. Work less, spend less – love more.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perry L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 08:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you think the Norwegians should be dabting this instead? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=13975&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NATO&#039;s War Plans For The High North&lt;/a&gt; Unlike 9/11 this NATO aggression WILL lead to war with Russia...SOON</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you think the Norwegians should be dabting this instead? <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=13975" rel="nofollow">NATO&#8217;s War Plans For The High North</a> Unlike 9/11 this NATO aggression WILL lead to war with Russia&#8230;SOON</p>
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		<title>By: gamlerik</title>
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		<dc:creator>gamlerik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Andrew,

My perception is not far from yours. :) What we feel about the facts will perhaps be more relevant after a proper investigation since certainty is a luxury that, if possessed, should be shared with everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Andrew,</p>
<p>My perception is not far from yours. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  What we feel about the facts will perhaps be more relevant after a proper investigation since certainty is a luxury that, if possessed, should be shared with everyone.</p>
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